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Title: Beyond the Battolgy news 9-9-09 Post by ladybat2 on Sep 9th, 2009, 9:00am More cool art by David Dees here- http://www.deesillustration.com Hypnotized (another video by Bat) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buWooFMoX6A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buWooFMoX6A Be sure you check with the home page of this web site in here. We have many great news folders where news, videos, and pictures are being shared as we speak. You can leave your own comments at any of them. We welcome as many comments as you would like to leave. Tell the world what you think! http://beyond.euskalaretoa.com/belief/YaBB.pl Michael Rivero of the What Really Happened web site Be sure you check in with WRH web site for news reports that load there every hour .  They are really on top of it there and this site is a not to be missed! This is my mentor site. It inspired the Bat news letter. Its different than other sites because Michael adds his own clever comments to the headlines. And he was doing his truth seeking web site way back when it was not even popular to be doing it. He's a pioneer and he ROCKS! http://whatreallyhappened.com/ Check out Warrior of Truth Wendy's web site http://www.marwenmedia.com/ Alright then warriors... Lets see what sneaky low down dirty tricks they tried to pull over our eyes this week!... >:( ************************************** I'm going to start calling this the Bat's weird 9-11 stuff collection segment. Those of you that don't like it can refer to my "for those who have a problem with the Bat news letter" URL. http://beyond.euskalaretoa.com/belief/YaBB.pl?num=1236631722/0#0 You are either a truther or you are not Oh Ye Warriors of truth. I've decided that I'm going to give this 9-11 stuff a bit more of my time. Evidence that George W. Bush had advanced knowledge of 9-11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWSv0NZBRw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWSv0NZBRw&feature=related Proof Bush knew about 9/11 in advance? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZBmfRBv-Go&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZBmfRBv-Go&feature=related Rare Pentagon 9-11 Surveillance Camera Video of Impact http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ2Y8fRg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ2Y8fRg&feature=related And so Warriors with all these theories about 9-11 being a total lie we of course wonder, what on earth became of all those passengers on those planes that day? Well, I've been doing some research on this and boy was this ever an interesting little piece of information.... The 9-11 Passenger List Oddity by Vincent Sammartino – WING TV.com Read it all here; http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7199 DON'T MISS THIS ONE EITHER AS IT PUTS EVERY THING IN SIMPLE EASY TO UNDERSTAND TERMS; THE TOP 40 REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001 ... An outline in simple talking points ... http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646 Nationwide Missing Links Bus Tour 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST1dA2rubNQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST1dA2rubNQ SEEMS LIKE A DREAM MY WARRIORS BUT THEY GOT YA HYPNOTIZED! ************************************** Remember in my last news letter dated 9-4, the Pat Buchanan article titled "Did Hitler want war?" Well right after it was published a Jewish group complained and MSNBC took it down. If the zionazis don't like what is being said my warriors then we don't get to say it. Since it looks like the zionazis are the god of the earth now we all have to hear and obey them. MSNBC removes Buchanan's Hitler column following Jewish complaint MSNBC removes Buchanan column defending Hitler Jewish Telegraphic Agency  Thursday, 3 September 2009 http://jta.org/news/article/2009/09/03/1007639/njdc-urges-msnbc-to-remove-pat-buchanans-column-defending-hitler Here is the original article for those who might of missed it Did Hitler Want War? by Patrick J. Buchanan http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068 ************************************** Israeli soldiers fire on Al Jazeera correspondent - 04 Sep 09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34jPNN0qdF8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34jPNN0qdF8 ************************************** Wendy says "Hi All, Also, please remember that WWII was actually a continuation of WWI. WWI was extended and won by the British as a result of the Jewish international bankers and Zionists’ meddling behind the scenes— just google Balfour Declaration of 1917 to see the players: Lord Balfour, and Lord Rothschild (the head of the Jewish international bankers, and representing “The Jewish People” or the Israelites), who offered Balfour (who represented Britain) Jewish financial and propagandistic support from his colleagues in America (Rothschild would pull all his strings there with influential American Jews) to enable England to clobber Germany, not just accept a truce, in exchange for the British promising to give Jews a “Jewish homeland” in Palestine after Britain won.  This deal (at the expense of the Palestinian people, the German people, the American people, and many European people) was one of the main reasons why the Germans became enraged at international Jewry.   If the Jewish banksters, represented by Rothschild had NOT interfered in such a manner (which extended WWI, which after the harsh terms for Germany of the Versailles Treaty, then got extended into WWI), then most likely Britain would have instead been forced to call a truce with Germany, whereby they could resolve their differences diplomatically. In this scenario, then WWII would not likely to have happened.  And if there never was a Jewish (supremacist) state created on land stolen from the Palestinians (as a result of Jewish meddling as in the Balfour Declaration), then most likely we wouldn’t be in the state of perpetual war that we find ourselves in now. Maybe the international Jews didn’t start all the wars, but they certainly are and have been key to perpetuating them.  They are definitely “players” and not just innocent (victims) like they always try to portray themselves. War is a big moneymaker for the international Jewry and their pawns who play along, at the expense of “the little people” as they see most of us. BAT Says---Man they sure laid it on thick with those old war propaganda posters didn't they my Warriors? You should type in war propaganda posters into the google image search tool and just get a load of all of them. And the people back then just fell for every one of them. The ‘Good’ War It wasn't so good by Justin Raimondo, September 04, 2009 I write these words on September 3, 2009, seventy years to the day since Britain and France declared war on Germany – an occasion observed, if not exactly celebrated by the leaders and opinion-makers of the West, as the beginning of "the good war." The War Party just loves WWII because it’s the one war where all agree we had no choice but to fight and win a war to the death. Well, not quite all, but on this question dissent is simply not tolerated. More- http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/09/03/the-good-war/ ************************************* Israeli Professor:’We Could Destroy All European Capitals’ By Nadim Ladki (IAP News) — An Israeli professor and military historian hinted that Israel could avenge the holocaust by annihilating millions of Germans and other Europeans. http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/israeli-professor-we-could-destroy-all-european-capitals/ *************************************** The autopsy surgeon Aftonbladet forgot By Jonathan Cook in Nazareth 5 September 2009 Jonathan Cook considers the role of Professor Yehuda Hiss, the chief Israeli state pathologist at the only institute in Israel that conducts autopsies, in the scandal over the theft of Palestinian body parts. He notes that Prof Hiss has never been jailed despite admitting to organ theft in the 1990s. The hyperventilating by Israel’s leaders over a story published in a Swedish newspaper last month suggesting that the Israeli army assisted in organ theft from Palestinians has distracted attention from the disturbing allegations made by Palestinian families that were the basis of the article’s central claim. http://www.redress.cc/palestine/jcook20090905 ************************************** Be sure and take a look at Wendy's film documentaries- Wendy Campbell’s documentaries include: “Truth: Exposing Israeli Apartheid” “Neturei Karta: Jews Against Zionism” “Rosa Remembers Palestine” “Syria: Land of Friendly People and Hidden Treasures See them all here; http://www.cultureunplugged.com/storyteller/MarwenMedia ************************************** Soldier Gets Life for Rape, Murders in Iraq http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7IC50Y89iY&feature=email http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7IC50Y89iY&feature=email *************************************** Thanks to Toeg for this find! THIS WAS Jerusalem in the 1930s before the zionists got there and forced the name "israeli" on it and established it as their state for them only. Before all the hell. It was a place where all the peoples were living there in peace. Native Arab Jews, Christians and Muslim Arab Palestinian peoples. All of them Palestinian and all of them sharing their place together in peace. Jerusalem, peaceful and wonderful before Israel... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HyJBPEuyyk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HyJBPEuyyk Jerusalem in the 1930s put to the music of Tawiq Farroukh A wonderful look back into the way Jerusalem was like before the Zionist invaders took over. As you can see life was peaceful and it seemed very pleasant amongst its diversity. ************************************** European campaign warns of mass thirst and poisoning in Gaza Palestinian Information Center September 5, 2009 BRUSSELS, (PIC) -- The European campaign to end the siege on Gaza warned Friday that Gaza people would suffer from mass thirst and poisoning as a result of the contamination of drinking water. More- http://uruknet.com/index.php?p=m57654&hd=&size=1&l=e ************************************** Israeli officials attacking anti Zionist synagogue in Jerusalem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU92lAsw3UU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU92lAsw3UU *************************************** ISRAEL STEALS BODY PARTS: PALESTINIANS SPEAK OUT By Khalid Amayreh “I don’t know for sure why they are refusing to hand him over to us to bury him,” Fawzi told IOL about the body of his slain son. In 1995, Bassam was killed by the Israeli army at the village of Beit Awwa, located near the former armistice line between the West Bank and what is now Israel. “But 24 hours later they returned the body with a huge scar running from the chin to the lower abdomen,” Walid remembers. “They took all the vital organs, including the heart, kidneys, Liver. Then they stuffed the empty cavities with garbage before sewing him up.” Several other Palestinians gave a similar narrative, recounting how they received the bodies of their murdered relatives, mostly men in their early twenties, with vital organs taken away by the Israeli authorities. More- http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/israel-steals-body-parts-palestinians-speak-out/ ************************************** NOT GOOD NEWS HERE AT ALL!(I left my own comments at this link at the bottom in their comment section) Norman Finkelstein has decided to leave the Free Gaza organization and has chosen to make this public by throwing a tantrum over his "hurt feelings". What a total jerk thing to do! First Avnery shows his real zionist face and next MR. Finkelstein does the same. Be sure and read all the comments that follow this article at the link provided. SECTARIANISM FROM ABROAD IS DESTROYING THE FREE GAZA MOVEMENT September 6, 2009 at 8:04 am (Activism, Gaza, Israel, Opinion, Palestine) http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/sectarianism-from-abroad-is-destroying-the-free-gaza-movement/ BAT SAYS--- LET US GET ONE THING PERFECTLY CLEAR HERE MY WARRIORS! Palestinians are thankful for any "help" the world gives them. But the bottom line is that Palestine WILL NOT EVER GIVE UP RIGHT OF RETURN WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN GRANTED TO THEM BY THE UNITED NATIONS! If this so called "Help" that is being given to them, the boats bringing them food, if these things are being done as a trade off for right of return, in order to get the Palestinian people to abandon right of return then THE WORLD CAN JUST KEEP ITS BOATS FULL OF FOOD! BECAUSE GAZA AND ALL OF PALESTINE DO NOT ONLY NEED BOATS BRINGING FOOD! Palestine and her people WANT TO FEED THEMSELVES!  And they cannot do that as long as they are not free or are refugeed! RIGHT OF RETURN FOR ALL PALESTINIAN REFUGEES AND FOR ALL HER NATIVE PEOPLE. Now and forever. Palestine will never settle for any thing less. For those who are not on board with that very clear fact then they can do what Mr. Avenery and Mr. Finklestein have done. THEY CAN JUMP SHIP! But do us a favor when you do IF you do. Just go ahead and dive off the side. We don't need to hear your empty, meaningless statements and tantrum throwing before you go. Just go with your mouth shut. Just like the world has been doing for the last 70 years. Keeping its mouth shut too! ************************************** 9-11 Israel pointing fingers Before the dust from the World Trade Towers had even settled, Israel's agents were pointing their fingers at the intended targets, Arab Muslims. This was, of course, a repeat of the Israeli tactics during the Lavon Affair, in which bombings carried out by Israel were blamed on Egypt, and the attack on the USS Liberty, in which Israel was blaming Egypt for that attack right up until Israel had to call the attack off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-VB4NWlXYM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-VB4NWlXYM ************************************** ANGIE WANTS US ALL TO KNOW THIS ONE IS A MUST READ! Our Gift of Silence By Ahmed Barqawi We must rise to the challenge, possibly even before Shalit's next birthday. The lack of subtlety in Israel's policy of aggression and land theft towards the Palestinians can only be attributed to our gift of silence, one for which the Israelis' are appreciative and fully exploitive of. AFP -Agence France-Presse- reported last Monday that French President Nicolas Sarkozy had sent a letter to the family of Israeli captive Gilad Shalit on the occasion of the soldier’s twenty-third birthday which coincided late last month. In his letter; Sarkozy vowed France's relentless efforts for the freedom of the Shalits’ son, expressing that his thoughts are with them and their son especially on his fourth birthday spent in captivity. More- http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15405e ************************************** Bat list member and warrior of truth J.C. wanted me to share this with all of you and we ask that you pass it along to as many people as you can... Dear Friends, It is very important at this critical time of struggle and changes inside Iran that every effort be made to encourage the Obama Administration to take steps to NORMALIZE relations with Iran.  We hope this petition can contribute to that effort.  Please add your own name and send on to your contacts, so they can consider signing also. "PRES. OBAMA: BEGIN DIALOGUE WITH TEHRAN" http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dialoguewithtehran?e I really think this is an important cause, and I'd like to encourage you to add your signature, too. It's free and takes less than a minute of your time. take care JC xx ************************************* Another one who disagrees with Mr. Avnery's latest stance on boycotting Israel. Mr. Avnery is against boycotting. CONTRA AVNERY: A Case for Boycott, Divestment & Sanctions (BDS) By Alan Sabrosky Salem-News.com One should never put down any weapon when one’s arsenal is so nearly empty and the struggle is so uphill. (JACKSON, Miss.) - Avnery has written and done many good things, but on this issue I believe he is wrong. Avnery’s position on BDS reminds me of a Jewish colleague in the US who had a lot of visibility debating the AIPAC crowd on the OT (Occupied Territories) issue. When I asked him what he would do to Israel to coerce it into changing its position and policies, he hemmed and hawed and finally came down on nothing tangible, just behind-the-scenes persuasion. Now, any country or person who is not punished for doing something unacceptable has no reason whatsoever to change its behavior. This is why Netanyahu is essentially giving Obama the diplomatic equivalent of the “raised middle finger” (in US parlance) on the settlements issue — nothing bad happens to Israel for insultingly dismissing out of hand his only real benefactor. And this is why following Avnery’s argument also gives Israel no real incentive to do anything different. If they aren’t being hurt, they won’t change. More- http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september042009/israel_sanctions_9-4-09.php ************************************** This was shared with me by a list member. It has a lot of photos here of the internment camps in Germany and these photos look very different from the ones we have always been shown before. They seem to tell an entirely different story about life in those camps. Certainly these people in these photos look strong and healthy enough to have at least tried to fight back if they were being treated so badly or were being murdered every day. And so many healthy survivors? Millions of them it looks like in these photos. So where are the 6 million that were killed? Gosh, there were an awful lot of Jews in Germany and Poland. So many of them. Even more it seems than any other people. Millions and millions dead and millions and millions survived to get paid. I wonder, with all those Jews, why they were not able to fight back and save themselves. Ah well, things that make ya go hmmmmm.... http://www.finalsolution88.com/prisoncamps.htm *************************************** Wendy does not agree with the last part of this article... "I just discovered, there are often times, beliefs embedded within the articles which absolutely contradict what I believe. Take for instance the generally “right on” article “A Big Thank You” below by Israeli Jewish professor Ilan Pappe.  I just noticed something about his article that is rather disturbing. At the end of his first paragraph, he wrote: “And on the other, alas, those who opted out from the blissful new reality: the oppressed Palestinians who still live under Hamas' dictatorship in the Gaza Strip.” Wow.  Look how he pointed the finger, and demonized Hamas, claiming that it is a “dictatorship”, even though we KNOW Hamas was democratically voted into power by the Palestinian people in Gaza, and Ilan Pappe seems to suggests that Palestinians are mainly suffering due to Hamas, which we know is NOT true, that blame falls squarely on the Zionist state of Israel, and this story is therefore misleading especially to those who are new to this subject matter. And then note how in the second paragraph of the article he never makes actual mention of the Palestinians’ actual persecutors, the Zionist state of Israel: “Tomorrow we all will go back to the dismal reality in which Palestinian students are imprisoned daily without trial in Nablus, Palestinian children are killed near Ramallah, as also happened today. We will return to the reality of house demolitions as occurred two weeks ago in Jerusalem, of the continued strangulation of the Gaza Strip and the overall dispossession of Palestinians, wherever they are.” Note how he NEVER SPELLS IT OUT about WHO is persecuting the Palestinian people!  WHO are they being “imprisoned” by, WHO is killing Palestinian children, WHO is continuing the strangulation of the Gaza Strip and overall dispossession of the Palestinians whereever they are?  WHY doesn’t he SPELL IT OUT so that no one can claim to be confused and ignorant about this??  IT’S THE ZIONIST STATE OF ISRAEL WHICH IS DOING ALL THIS.  Of course WE know, but the average person is often still confused! This is my big beef with most of these “progressive” Jewish “peace-activists”!  They always muddy the waters— they are not CLEAR about what they believe is the SOLUTION to stopping Zionist Israel in its tracks which would be to start the transformation of Zionist Israel to a truly democratic one-state solution of Palestine-Israel which includes granting all the Palestinian refugees their inalienable Right to Return, as equals and with reparations to their ancestral homeland of Palestine-Israel. Now WHY IS IT that Ilan Pappe doesn’t make this logical solution CLEAR?  Why IS IT that he doesn’t even offer ANY real solution in place of stopping persecution of the Palestinian people by the Israelis?  Well, OK, maybe he’s not quite THERE yet himself, but as a professor, he should be. The fact is that people like him, especially Israeli/Jewish activists (including Naomi Klein, Uri Avnery, etc.) only go SO FAR and therefore they can be useful to our goals only SO FAR, and they cannot be relied upon to GO ALL THE WAY, although we can persuade and pressure them to do so, however, let’s not fool ourselves: we must realize that we still must take matters into our own hands as well, and not just “sit back” and let these Jewish “progressives” take the lead and determine what is what, which is most likely an endless “peace process” what just results in more Palestinian deaths and loss of land.  Jewish “peace-activists” want us to just let them handle the future of Palestine-Israel (and maintain a Jewish state on stolen Palestinian land) but we won’t be side-tracked!! We will acknowledge the good things they say and do (and criticize them for their lack of follow through and being clear), but we will persevere also with our OWN efforts, no matter what our nationality, creed, religion, ethnicity, gender, race or whatever to FREE FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wendy A big thank you Ilan Pappe, The Electronic Intifada, 4 September 2009 http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10752.shtm ************************************** Israel Authorizes New Settler Homes In West Bank JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel approved on Monday the building of 455 settler homes in the occupied West Bank, a move opposed by its U.S. ally and Palestinians but which could pave the way for a construction moratorium sought by Washington. A Defense Ministry list of the first such building permits since Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took office in March showed the homes would be erected in areas Israel says it intends to keep in a future peace deal with the Palestinians. More- http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/09/07/news/news-us-palestinians-israel.html?_r=1 *************************************** Propping up the credit market http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLyzjpFOk1k&feature=player_embedded# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLyzjpFOk1k&feature=player_embedded# **************************************** Uri sure is getting his butt kicked by some of his fellow supporters for the stupid things he said recently... Jeff Blankfort - Uri Avnery's rationalising Israel's dispossession of the Palestinians Recently, Uri Avnery, Gush Shalom leader and "darling" of the left-Zionists, has been writing quite a bit more frequently some pieces that ask folks to not renounce the Zionist "dream" and has decided to add his two bits to the Palestinian call to Boycott Israel, standing firmly against said Boycott. Jeff Blankfort, writer, journalist and radio host has addressed him again. Hello Uri, I have just read your response to critics of your opposition to boycotting Israel and, having long ago realized the limits of your activism and worldview, it held no surprises. You have quite clearly invested too much time and energy over the years in rationalizing Israel's dispossession of the Palestinians from their homeland to acknowledge the injustice that was not only inherent but required for Israel's creation. The passage of time does not erase that injustice no matter how many times you or others invoke the Nazi holocaust. The die for establishing a Jewish state displacing the Palestinians from their homes and villages was cast well before Hitler came to power so that issue should have no place in this argument. More- http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/09/05/jeff-blankfort-uri-avnerys-rationalising-israels-dispossession-of-the-palestinians/ ************************************** Here is a Jew with more guts than Avnery has! Boycott Israel An Israeli comes to the painful conclusion that it's the only way to save his country. It is indeed not a simple matter for me as an Israeli citizen to call on foreign governments, regional authorities, international social movements, faith-based organizations, unions and citizens to suspend cooperation with Israel. But today, as I watch my two boys playing in the yard, I am convinced that it is the only way that Israel can be saved from itself. More- http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gordon20-2009aug20,0,1126906.story ************************************** A MUST READ ARTICLE BY FORMER PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER but I disagree with him. I believe a one state solution is the only answer. With total equal rights for all with in it. AND a return of all stolen private properties to the native Palestinian people who are the only ones who hold the real legal titles and deeds to those properties. Palestinians accepting less than half of their native historic homeland back as their "state" with out even any real rights in that state and no right of return for the refugees has no hope of ever bringing peace nor will the Palestinian people ever agree to it. The Elders' View Of the Middle East By Jimmy Carter Sunday, September 6, 2009 During the past 16 months I have visited the Middle East four times and met with leaders in Israel, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, the West Bank and Gaza. I was in Damascus when President Obama made his historic speech in Cairo, which raised high hopes among the more-optimistic Israelis and Palestinians, who recognize that his insistence on a total freeze of settlement expansion is the key to any acceptable peace agreement or any positive responses toward Israel from Arab nations. More- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/04/AR2009090402968.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 ************************************** Listen to this! Wendy tells us... As this article explains, not only are marriages between Jews and non-Jews in Israel considered illegal and not recognized, now there’s a huge campaign in Israel for Israelis to turn in the e-mails and addresses of Jews in the diaspora, especially in Canada and the US, to this Israeli organization that aims to reach out to the Jews in diaspora and discourage them from marrying non-Jews and to go live in Israel, where they basically subsidize them using US tax payers’ dollars. Talk about Jewish supremacism. Israel gets tough on intermarriage Jonathan Cook, Foreign Correspondent NAZERETH, ISRAEL // The Israeli government has launched a television and internet advertising campaign urging Israelis to inform on Jewish friends and relatives abroad who may be in danger of marrying non-Jews. More- http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090907/FOREIGN/709069840/1002 ************************************** US Hypocrisy Astonishes the World by Paul Craig Roberts, September 07, 2009 Americans have lost their ability for introspection, thereby revealing their astounding hypocrisy to the world. U.S. War Secretary Robert Gates has condemned the Associated Press and a reporter, Julie Jacobson, embedded with U.S. troops in Afghanistan, for taking and releasing a photo of a U.S. Marine who was wounded in action and died from his injury. More- http://original.antiwar.com/roberts/2009/09/06/us-hypocrisy-astonishes/ ************************************** BE SURE TO READ THE COMMENTS THAT FOLLOW THIS ARTICLE! Very very entertaining. Also you can see just how much people have learned over the past decade. People are no longer stupid when it comes to the zionazis you can bet on that my warriors! The Virgin Mary as the “Mother Of Terrorism“–Pictures That Speak A Thousand Words About That Wonderful Jewish Mindset No, not some bizzaro scene out of the Twilight Zone or an old episode of Star Trek, but rather the real deal, taking place I–surprise, surprise–Israel. Yes, famous works of art of the Madonna and baby Jesus with Momma’s face replaced with that of Palestinian women who blew themselves up in the interests of taking out those who had turned their lives and the lives of their loved ones into a living hell. Baby Jesus, holding a copy of the Koran and therefore a terrorist in training. The obvious question that civilized people must ask in the wake of this is “Is NOTHING sacred to these people, besides themselves of course? The answer, sadly, is no. As it turns out the exhibit was removed, and not out of the fear that Christians and Muslims who revere the Virgin Mary and Jesus might be offended, but rather because relatives of those killed by the aforementioned “suicide bombers” might get upset. As always, Jewish feelings first and everyone else can go straight to hell where all Gentiles are consigned to dwell. Surprisingly (!) not a peep of protest has been burped by the “guardians at the gate” meaning Christianity’s priests, pastors, preachers or even the Pope himself. More- http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/09/08/the-virgin-mary-as-the-%E2%80%9Cmother-of-terrorism%E2%80%9C-pictures-that-speak-a-thousand-words-about-that-wonderful-jewish-mindset/ HEY WARRIORS! GO TO THE ABOVE LINK AND READ THE COMMENTS THAT FOLLOW BELOW THIS ARTICLE. LOOK FOR THE ONE BY "MOLECULE". IT IS SOOOOO FUNNY! In all my years of trying to understand the zionist Jew I have never ever heard any one explain them like this. Doctor Froid would be impressed. ************************************** Do you know that banks are demolishing brand new homes because they cannot sell them at any price and cannot pay the taxes or maintain them? Its true! All over the place! Just being demolished by bulldozers and every one of them represent a loan that has not been paid which means they will have less money to loan in the future! This is horrible! Watch these videos and read about it here; Touring the wreckage http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/702.html ************************************** I'm telling you Warriors! The boycott is working! Hit the zionazis in their pockets. Thats is the only kind of pain they feel. LOSS OF MONEY. They have no hearts so you can't hurt them any way else. But they have never been able to stand being with out money. Weissglas, Sharon’s Pro-Settler Warrior: ‘Every Single Settler Will Have to Go’ Frankly, I don’t know what to make of this story.  Dov Weissglas has the reputation of being one of the harshest of Ariel Sharon’s political attack dogs.  I once wrote a post here decrying an incredibly cynical comment he made about Israel’s manipulation of the Bush administration accompanied by a claim that Sharon’s Gaza withdrawal had put the peace process “in formaldehyde.”  He famously bragged that the Israeli siege of Gaza amounted to putting its residents “on a diet.” Can the leopard to change its spots?  In today’s Haaretz, Weissglas is quoted as giving an another astonishingly candid speech in Israel in which he recounted how Israel was forced to mark it agricultural exports originating in the Territories with special labels for EU countries.  Originally, Ariel Sharon refused the EU’s demand.  Only when Marks & Spencer, one of Israel’s major customers, began returning millions of dollars worth of product and all Israeli produce was threatened with a 15% surcharge did Sharon relent. More- http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/09/05/weissglas-sharons-pro-settler-warrior-gives-up/ ************************************** The rise of Israel's military rabbis (includes videos with the article) Teenagers at a Jewish seminary in the West Bank talk about the connection between the Israeli army and God (see the video of it at the link itself) Katya Adler BBC Newsnight, Israel "Our job was to boost the fighting spirit of the soldiers. The eternal Jewish spirit from Bible times to the coming of the Messiah"   Israel's army is changing. Once proudly secular, its combat units are now filling with those who believe Israel's wars are "God's wars". Military rabbis are becoming more powerful. Trained in warfare as well as religion, new army regulations mean they are now part of a military elite. More- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8232340.stm *************************************** Rockefeller Reveals 9/11 FRAUD to Aaron Russo (bat- what would be the reason that Aaron would lie about this stuff? He has absolutely no reason to lie about it. But judge for yourselves my warriors.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA ************************************** What on earth have the Palestinian people ever done in this world to Britain to America or to any one to deserve what we all have done to them and are still doing to this day? What have they done? There are other peoples on earth that are also oppressed, I know this, but are they a people that have the entire world actually helping their oppressors and supporting them like the Palestinians have it? I mean even Ms so called "good will" ambassador Angelina big lips Jolie will not even mention Palestinian refugee children while she talks about every other refugeed child on earth! Why is the whole world hurting Palestine? They never did any thing to us. To you to me. To any one. So why? I'm telling you that God is going to punish this world for this some day. Every one who took part in it will pay for it. If not then there is no justice and God is not fair. Gaza Fishermen - Daily Suffering with No Notice Ayman Quader 2 Sep, 2009 Gaza City, Sept. 2, 2009, (Pal Telegraph) - Everyday in the news, I hear about the suffering of the Gaza fishermen - one was killed, others wounded, and the Israelis are firing on still others. And I wanted to shed a light on their pain. I went to the main Gaza port. While I was there, I figured out how sad the sea and the fishermen are. Boats are stuck and fishermen are looking at the sea with no hope. The Palestinian fishermen have been consistently harassed by the regular Israeli attacks on them, as they abuse the fishermen for pursuing their livelihood. Furthermore, they are prevented to work for far distances inside the sea. The allowed distance for them is just around 4.5 Km. Unfortunately, once they reach that distance, they find themselves under Israeli fire. More- http://peaceforgaza.blogspot.com/2009/09/gaza-fishermen-daily-suffering-with-no.html ************************************** Israeli Occupation Forces Kidnap Five Palestinian Children in North Gaza Sept 7, 2009 The Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) has continued to escalate its aggression against the Gaza Strip. Yesterday, Sunday 6 September 2009, the IOF penetrated the south of Beit Lahia town in North Gaza district and kidnapped five Palestinian children. This new escalation comes amid the tight Israeli siege on the Gaza Strip which is causing a continual deterioration in the human rights situation and humanitarian conditions. According to investigations conducted by Al Mezan Centre for Human Rights, Israeli troops infiltrated Beit Lahia from the northern separation fence. More- http://yahyaottawa.blogspot.com/2009/09/israeli-occupation-forces-kidnap-five.html And EVERY ONE WANTS TO KNOW WHY THE PALESTINIANS DO NOT STAGE MORE NON VIOLENT RESISTANCE. WELL THEY DO ALL THE TIME BUT LOOK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY DO. DOES THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY DO ANY THING ABOUT IT AT ALL? NOPE! Israeli Occupation Forces Invade West Bank Cities, Kidnap Dozens of Civilians, Infiltrate Northern Gaza, kidnap 5 Children, 2 Men Israeli occupation forces conduct nighttime raid of non-violent activists' homes in Bil'in Tuesday September 08, 2009 07:58 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC News In the latest of a series of raids over the last three months, Israeli occupation forces attacked the village of Bil'in at 2:30 am on Tuesday morning, allegedly searching for a teenage boy.  The village remains under curfew, and organizers with the Popular Committee Against the Wall say that the ongoing attacks on their village are an attempt by the Israeli army to shut down the non-violent resistance once and for all. The village of Bil'in has become a focal point for the non-violent resistance movement in Palestine, holding non-violent protests every Friday for the last four years.  Israeli occupation forces attack the protests with semi-lethal weapons and experimental weapons each Friday, but the protests have continued without fail.  The village has gained international and Israeli attention, and Israeli peace activists cross the Wall illegally each Friday to be part of the non-violent protests. More- http://www.aljazeerah.info/News/2009/September/8%20n/Israeli%20Occupation%20Forces%20Invade%20West%20Bank%20Cities,%20Kidnap%20Dozens%20of%20Civilians,%20Infiltrate%20Northern%20Gaza,%20kidnap%205%20Children,%202%20Men.htm *************************************** This weeks news finds shared by bat list members and warriors of truth, Wendy, Angie, Muna, "O", Toeg, the WRH web site, and yours truly. Until next time Oh Ye Warriors of truth.... Stay well, Stay safe And above all Stay informed Because if the end is at hand then at least you'll know to go to the bathroom first. No telling how long the trip is from here to there. Might not be any stops in between. Peace out all and live free or die BAT See below more interesting stuff from Wendy. I'm going to put it in follow up posts because of space. She emails Uri and goes off on him pretty bad. And below that is a famous old song that still rings true today. From the The Watchman sound track.

Title: Re: Beyond the Battolgy news 9-9-09 Post by ladybat2 on Sep 9th, 2009, 9:08am Wendy went off on Uri Avnery. Because he said recently that he is against boycotting Israel. Wendy emailed him and told him what she thought of his article. Here is his article along with her own responses to it. YOU are a racist, Zionist Jew who is a wolf in sheep's clothing (bat winces and feels sorry for Avnery but not all that much (grin) ) AVNERY AND THE REST: THE BDS DEBATE CONTINUES Uri Avnery 5.9.09                        The Boycott Revisited   THE PEOPLE of Sodom, the Bible tells us, were very wicked indeed. They had a nasty habit of putting every passing stranger into one particular bed. If the stranger was too tall, his legs were shortened. If he was too short, his body was stretched to the required length. In a way, each of us has such a bed, into which we put everything new. Confronted with a novel situation, we tend to equate it with a situation we have known in the past.   In politics, this method is especially pervasive. It relieves us of the irksome necessity of studying an unfamiliar situation and drawing new conclusions.   (Wendy says: YES, and that NEW CONCLUSION which Uri Avnery just doesn’t seem to get is that the very concept of a Jewish state on stolen Palestinian land is hideously racist and Israel must now be transformed into a truly democratic state of Palestine-Israel, in which ALL the Palestinian refugees MUST be allowed their inalienable Right to Return as equals, WITH reparations, and Jews in Israel who don’t agree with this will be invited to leave.  Simple as that.   Those Jews or their lackeys who create problems will be put in prison or deported.  Simple as that.  This kind of situation HAS happened before. Just for ONE example, take the case of Estonia.  The Russians took over Estonia, and then it wasn’t called Estonia anymore.  Then when the Soviet Union was dissolved, it became Estonia again, and the Russians were invited to leave.  Simple as that!  This can and should happen in the case of IsraHell as well.   Almost all Jews who live in Israel come from another country, such as the USA (like Brooklyn, or Florida, for example), or Russia, or other countries as well. Most Israeli Jews have two or more passports.  ALL Israeli Jews have the support of extremely rich Jewish patrons in the Jewish diaspora, such as the Rothchilds and George Soros, Haim Sabim, Steven Bing, just to name a few of MANY, and when Jews are invited to leave if they try to create problems with the new one-democratic state of Palestine-Israel, then they certainly have the resources to help them relocate to other countries from whence they came or other countries from whence their parents or grandparents came from, and I’m sure they would be able to choose almost any Western country where they could relocate to with the help of the powerful and rich organizations of the Jewish diaspora.  Why is it that this very logical and fair conclusion is never considered by Jewish “progressives” such as Uri Avnery?   After all, it’s NOT a matter of ethnic-cleansing of Jews from Palestine-Israel (as some twisted Zionists claim)--- it’s a matter of Israeli Jews have to return the land and properties which they stole!  Returning the “hot” property!  It is RIGHT AND JUST.  And it WILL HAPPEN, if the moral majority (even if many are still ignorant, and many are still silent) will have OUR way, which is consistent with MORALS and INTERNATIONAL LAW.) Once, the pattern of Vietnam was applied to every struggle around the world – from Argentina to North Korea. Nowadays, the fashion points to South Africa. Everything resembles the struggle against apartheid, unless proven otherwise. SINCE SENDING out last week’s article, “Tutu’s Prayer”, I have been flooded with responses, some laudatory, some abusive, some thoughtful, some merely angry. Generally, I don’t argue with my esteemed readers. I don’t want to impose my views, I just want to provide food for thought and leave it to the reader to form his or her own opinion. This time I feel that I owe it to my readers to clear up some of the points I was trying to make and answer some of the objections. So here we go. I HAVE no argument with people who hate Israel. That’s entirely their right. I just don’t think that we have any common ground for discussion.   I would only like to point out that hatred is a very bad advisor. Hatred leads nowhere, but to more hatred. That, by the way, is a positive lesson we can draw from the South African experience. There they overcame hatred to a remarkable extent, largely thanks to the “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” headed by Archbishop Tutu, where people admitted their past offenses.  (Wendy says: And that is exactly what is needed now, in the US and in Israel: a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” headed by a non-Zionist, most likely NOT a Jew, unless it is someone like Gilad Atzmon.) One thing is certain: hatred does not lead towards peace. Let me be quite explicit about this, because I sense that some people, in their righteous indignation over Israel’s occupation, have lost sight of this. Peace is made between enemies, after war, in which awful things invariably happen. Peace can be made and maintained between peoples who are prepared to live with each other, respect each other, recognize the humanity of each other. They don’t have to love each other. Describing the other side as monsters may be useful in waging war, but singularly unhelpful in waging peace.   When I receive a missive that is dripping with hatred of Israel, that portrays all Israelis (including myself, of course) as monsters, I fail to envision how the writer imagines peace. Peace with monsters? Angels and monsters living side by side in peace and harmony in one state, hating each other’s guts?   The view of Israel as a monolithic entity composed of racists and brutal oppressors is a caricature. Israel is a complex society, struggling with itself. The forces of good and evil, and many in between, are locked in a daily battle on many different fronts. The settlers and their supporters are strong, perhaps getting stronger (though I doubt it), but are far – even in their own view - from a decisive victory. Neve Gordon, for example, has been left unmolested in his post at Ben-Gurion University, because any attempt to remove him would have caused a public outcry. (Wendy says: Let’s face it, IF Neve Gordon called for the one-democratic state solution of Palestine-Israel, and stated that a Jewish state has no right to exist on stolen Palestinian land, he probably would be “molested” or worse by his fellow Israeli Jews.) I ALSO have no argument with those who want to abolish the State of Israel. It is as much their right to aspire to that as it is my right to want to dismantle, let’s say, the USA or France, neither of which has an unblemished past. (Wendy says: Not only does the US have a blemished past, it has a very blemished present, largely due to the Israeli-Americans and their Zionist non-Jewish lackeys who are dominating US government, especially with regards to US foreign policy, and our US media!) Reading some of the messages sent to me and trying to analyze their contents, I get the feeling they are not so much about a boycott on Israel as about the very existence of Israel. (Wendy says: Yes, that is right with regards to a JEWISH STATE BUILT ON STOLEN LAND— specifically the Jewish state of Israel, which is obviously a racist concept, and it has obviously been built on stolen land!  And the Jewish state is still stealing land!!!) Some of the writers obviously believe that the creation of the State of Israel was a terrible mistake to start with, and therefore should be reversed. (Wendy says: Yes, but the correct word is transformed.) Turn the wheel of history back some 62 years and start anew. ( Wendy says: Yes, and to transform Israel into a true democratic one state of Palestine-Israel, with the Palestinian refugees all being allowed to return as equals and with reparations to it. See above in first paragraph.) What really disturbs me about this is that almost nobody in the West comes out and says clearly: Israel must be abolished. (It disturbs me too, that more people don’t call for the TRANSFORMATION of the Jewish state of Israel into the one democratic state of Palestine-Israel, but many are calling for just that, but Zionist Jews don’t want to hear about it and therefore try to censor the one-democratic-state solution of Palestine-Israel and the Palestinian refugees’ Right to Return.) Some of the proposals, like those for a “One State” solution, sound like euphemisms. If one believes that the State of Israel should be abolished and replaced by a State of Palestine or a State of Happiness – why not say so openly? (Wendy says: We DO openly say that the Jewish state of Israel must be transformed into Palestine-Israel, a true democratic state (see above) but the US media and the US government (both dominated by Zionist Jews and their paid off lackeys) NEVER allow this discourse to be public!  It is simply NOT included in the US media or governmental discourse, and if it is, it is twisted by Zionists such as YOU, Uri Avnery, who are even twisting the truth in your pathetic article— not calling Israel as it is— a RACIST Jewish state built on stolen land, and Zionist Israel is GUILTY of on-going ethnic-cleansing and genocide of the Palestinian people!) Of course, that does not mean peace. Peace between Israel and Palestine presupposes that Israel is there. (Wendy says: OH NO IT DOES NOT.  That is ridiculous! That is very biased of you, a Zionist Jew, living on STOLEN land.  The very concept of a Jewish state on stolen land is racist and unjust.) Peace between the Israeli people and the Palestinian people presupposes that both peoples have a right to self-determination and agree to the peace.(Wendy says: A true peace between Jews and non-Jews in Palestine-Israel can ONLY happen when there are NO double standards, and when JUSTICE has been served, as in Jews MUST RETURN the STOLEN LAND and HOMES of the Palestinian people.  First there must be the Truth and Reconciliation Council, and then the Palestinian refugees must be allowed their Right to Return as equals to a TRUE democratic country of Palestine-Israel, which has a constitution which guarantees competely equal rights for all regardless of religion, race, ethnicity, creed or gender. Anyone who does not cooperate will be invited to leave, or will be deported or will be put in prison for disturbing the peace.) Does anyone really believe that racist monsters like us would agree to give up our state because of a boycott?  (Wendy says: OH, really? So you ARE admitting that you and other Jewish Zionists are racist monsters who will not just bow to international non-violent pressure?  Well, if you don’t then you only have yourselves to blame for the continuing violence.  By the way, even the apartheid regime of South Africa was not brought down by ONLY the boycotts— obviously there was violence as well.  However, if the US government is finally persuaded by the American public to END ALL US SUPPORT OF THE JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL then surely Israel will be transformed into Palestine-Israel, a truly democratic state for all, including for all the Palestinian refugees. Your statement seems to presuppose that the Zionist Jews will indeed choose to violently fight any attempts to transform Israel to a truly democratic Palestine-Israel, and that you are on the side of the Zionist Jews in that case. You reveal yourself as a wolf in sheep’s clothing, therefore.) The French and the Germans did not agree to live in one joint state (Wendy says: that’s because they’ve been separate countries for many centuries! Israel is an artificially propped up “state”, a racist, criminal vanity project by international Jews, using primarily US tax dollars and US government to prop it up!  You must be willfully ignorant!), though the differences between them are incomparably smaller than those between Jewish Israelis and Arab Palestinians (Wendy says: that’s because international Jewish Israelis have STOLEN Arab Palestinian land! It’s completely UNJUST and IMMORAL.). Instead, they set up a European Union, composed of nation-states. Some 50 years ago I called for a similar Semitic Union, including Israel and Palestine. I still do. (Wendy says: Oh, please.  FIRST THING FIRST.  The Jewish state of Israel must FIRST be transformed into a true democratic state of Palestine-Israel as I described above.  Then they can decide to have an Arab Union, if they want, like what the Ba’athist Party wanted or whatever is truly just.  What YOU, Zionist Jewish Uri Avnery are proposing, with your BOGUS proposal of a Semitic Union, is a Zionist Jewish-dominated middle east.) Anyway, there is no sense in arguing with those who pray for the disappearance of the sovereign State of Israel, rather than for the appearance of the sovereign State of Palestine at its side.  (Wendy says: Then don’t argue, just be honest and cooperate.  You, Uri Avnery, are a Zionist Jew who wants to hold onto stolen property.  Admit it!  And then make amends! Give up your stolen goods! At any rate, the Truth is out, and WE the People will prevail with the transformation of Jewish Israel on stolen land into Palestine-Israel, a true democratic state with completely equal rights for all including for all the Palestinian refugees who will be allowed their inalienable Right to Return as equals and with reparations.) THE REAL argument is among those who want to see peace between the two states, Israel and Palestine. (Wendy says: Oh, really. We happen to believe that THE REAL argument about achieving justice in the middle east concerns everyone in the world: The answer is that Israel as a Jewish state must be transformed into Palestine-Israel, a true democracy for all regardless of religion, race, ethnicity or gender, including for all the Palestinian refugees.)  The question is: how can it be achieved?  (Wendy says: It starts with a Truth and Reconciliation Council, and cutting off all US aid to the racist Jewish state of Israel.) This is an honest debate (Wendy says: NO, it’s NOT honest debate because YOU won’t even consider the most humane solution of the one-democratic state solution of Palestine-Israel. YOU, along with all your Zionist Jewish cohorts, are attempting to marginalize our voices about the ONE-DEMOCRATIC-STATE of Palestine-Israel, BUT you will NOT succeed! Truth, Justice and Equal Rights for all will prevail!) and is generally conducted in a civil manner. My debate with Neve Gordon (Wendy says: Gordon is also a Jewish Zionist!) is in this framework (Wendy says: set by YOU, Zionist Jews, who want to maintain a racist Jewish state on STOLEN Palestinian land!  We REJECT that false framework characterized by censorshipe and a predisposed bias and agenda).   The advocates of boycott believe that the main, indeed the only way to induce Israel to give up the occupied territories and agree to peace is to exert pressure from the outside. I have no quarrel with the idea of outside pressure. The question is: pressure on whom? On the government, the settlers and their supporters? Or on the entire Israeli people? (The answer is there must be pressure on all the Zionist Jews inside Israel and outside Israel, as well as their racist non-Jewish supporters, such as the Christian Zionists, whether they are in the Israeli or US government, or are Jewish settlers/land-stealers, and including all the Israeli people, many of whom can just up and go to another country to live where they have passports and ease of movement, UNLIKE the Palestinian people who are persecuted by the Israelis.) The first answer is, I believe, the right one. That’s why I hope that President Barack Obama will publish a detailed peace plan with a fixed timetable and apply the immense powers of persuasion of the USA to get both sides to agree. (Wendy says: How ridiculous.  This is a PEOPLE’S MOVEMENT, first and foremost, and we the peoplle WILL get the US government (which is now a puppet of the Zionists) to cut off ALL aid to racist Israel until it transforms into Palestine-Israel, a democratic one-state solution with completely equal rights for all,etc.) I don’t think that this is politically possible without the support of a large part of Israeli society (and, by the way, of the US Jewish community).   (Wendy says: Whether the Israeli society supports it or not, it will happen. We the People of the world hold the key.  Racist Jewish Israel is artificially being propped up with US taxdollars and lies in the media, which are being debunked worldwide on the internet.) Some readers have lost all hope in Obama. That is, without doubt, premature. Obama has not surrendered to Binyamin Netanyahu – indeed, it is quite conceivable that the opposite is happening. (Wendy says: Let’s hope so, but so far, with regards to US foreign policy, Obama is proving himself to be just as much a puppet of Zionist Jews as Bush was.)  The struggle is on, it is a hard struggle against determined opposition, and we should do all we can to help Obama’s peace policy to prevail. We must do this as Israelis, from inside Israel, and thereby show that this is not a struggle of the US against Israel, but a joint struggle against the Israeli government and the settlers.  (Wendy says: This is a struggle of the world, including the informed, moral people of the US, against the Jewish state of Israel built on stolen Palestinian land.  YOU, Uri Avnery, are living on STOLEN LAND and YOU are a “settler” / accomplice to the land-stealing Jewish state of Israel.) It follows that any boycott must serve this purpose: to isolate the settlers and the individuals and institutions which openly support them, but not declare war on Israel and the Israeli people as such. (Wendy says: WRONG, the Jewish state of Israel and all the Jewish people there must be held accountable to right the wrongs, and GIVE BACK THE LAND, as notated above and help transform the Jewish state of Israel into Palestine-Israel, a true democratic state, as I described above.)  In the 11 years since Gush Shalom declared a boycott of the products of the settlements, this process has been gaining momentum. We must laud the Norwegian decision, this week, to divest from the Israeli Elbit company because of their involvement with the “Separation Fence” that is being built on Palestinian land and whose main purpose is to annex occupied territories to Israel. This is a splendid example: a focused action against a specific target, based on a ruling of the International Court. (Wendy says: This is just the beginning and will extend to all of IsraHell as a racist Jewish state on stolen land. “The times they are a-changing”.) I think that far more can be done by a concentrated national and international campaign. A central office should be set up to direct this effort throughout the world against clear and specific targets. (Wendy says: The Jewish state of Israel is a clear and specific target of international pressure to transform into a true democratic state of Palestine-Israel, as I described above.  We the people of the world are NOT going to sit around waiting for your “central office to direct this effort”.  Ha ha.) Such an effort could be helped by world public opinion, which recoils from the idea of boycotting the State of Israel (Wendy says: however, actually the majority of world public opinion is that Israel is a Jewish supremacist state built on stolen land and that it must transform into a true democratic Palestine-Israel, and all all the Palestinian refugees must be allowed their inalienable Right to Return as equals and with reparations), and not only because of the memory of the Holocaust (Wendy says: which Holocaust? Are you talking about the Holocaust happening in Gaza at the hands of Israeli Jews?), but will identify itself with action against the occupation and the oppression (Wendy says: and a racist Jewish state built on STOLEN LAND). I have been asked about the Palestinian reaction to the boycott idea. At present, Palestinians do not boycott even the settlements, indeed it is Palestinian workers who are building almost all the houses there, out of economic necessity. Their feelings can only be guessed. All self-respecting Palestinians would, of course, support any effective measure directed against the occupation (Wendy says: as well as a Jewish state built on STOLEN LAND). But it would not be honest to dangle before their eyes the false hope (Wendy says: I say it is NOT a false hope, but WE the People are making the boycott a REAL HOPE that Israel WILL BE TRANSFORMED and PALESTINE WILL BE FREE!  For YOU, Uri Avnery, a racist Zionist Jew, it truly is a PHONY hope, since you don’t hope for this at all!) that a world-wide boycott would bring Israel to its knees. The truth is that only the close cooperation of Palestinian, Israeli and international peace forces could generate the necessary momentum to end the occupation and achieve peace.  (Wendy says: The Truth is that We the People of the WORLD, and especially here in the US, since “our” government is funding IsraHell, WE will ALL generate the necessary momentum to TRANSFORM the Jewish state of Israel into completely democratic Palestine-Israel to achieve justice and peace and completely equal rights for all including the Palestinian refugees.) This is especially important because our task in Israel today is not so much to convince the majority of Israelis that peace is good and the price acceptable, but first that peace is possible at all. Most Israelis have lost that hope (Wendy: because the Israeli Jews appear to lack moral courage and integrity, and they don’t want to do the right thing, which is to completely transform the racist Jewish state of Israel into Palestine-Israel; they don’t want to give back the stolen goods, the stolen land, but they must, in order to achieve justice and peace), and its revival (Wendy says: come on, they never really wanted peace based on justice, because the only way to peace is justice— give back the stolen goods, the stolen land) is absolutely vital on the way to peace.  (Peace can only come with truth and justice— return the stolen goods!!!!) TO REMOVE any misconceptions about myself, let me state as clearly as possible where I stand: I am an Israeli.  (Wendy says: But you also come from somewhere else, or at least your parents did. And you could go back there too.  Probably Russia.  Go there, or give back your stolen goods to the Palestinian refugees and find somewhere else in Palestine-Israel to live, where you actually BUY the land legally, AFTER all the Palestinian refugees have been allowed to reclaim what is rightfully theirs.  You will NOT be living in a Jewish state, but the one-democratic state of Palestine-Israel. I’m sure all those rich Jewish philanthropists are able to fund you and other Jews’ relocation as necessary.  This is not “ethnic-cleansing”. This is giving back stolen goods.) I am an Israeli patriot.  (Wendy says: You are therefore defining yourself as a racist, Jewish supremacist and are clinging to your stolen goods.  RETURN THEM!  We the People of the US do NOT want to prop up your Jewish criminal vanity project known as “Israel”!) I want my state to be democratic (Wendy says: Uri, this is a lie, if you are claiming that the JEWISH state of Israel has a right to exist on stolen land, where Palestinians are not allowed their inalienable right to return as equals and with reparations and their homes given back to them) , secular, and liberal (pray tell, what does that mean? At any rate, why don’t you just move to the US, and give back the stolen land to its rightful owners, the Palestinian people?), ending the occupation (Wendy says,that is simply NOT ENOUGH— transform the Jewish state into a truly democratic state for all regardless of religion, ethnicity, race or gender. Give back the stolen land and goods!!!) and living at peace both with the free and sovereign State of Palestine (Wendy says: the free and sovereign state of Palestine must exist on all of Palestine-Israel, and it will be a one-democratic state of Palestine-Israel.  Two states will be UNFAIR to the Palestinian people and racist— as in South Africa, it remained ONE state, not TWO, one for Blacks and one for Whites; the US didn’t end segregation by having a separate state for Blacks and a separate state for Whites.  NO DOUBLE STANDARDS FOR THE JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL!)  that will come into being next to it, and with the entire Arab world. I want Israel to be a state belonging to all its citizens, without distinction of ethnic origin, gender, religion or language; with completely equal rights for all; a state in which the Hebrew-speaking majority (Wendy says: You and they are THIEVES.  Israeli Jews are NOT the TRUE MAJORITY and WILL NOT BE when the RIGHTFUL OWNERS of the land, the PALESTINIAN PEOPLE will be allowed their INALIENABLE RIGHT TO RETURN AS EQUALS) will retain its close ties with the Jewish communities around the world (Wendy says: Jews from around the world must NOT be allowed to “Return” to Israel as citizens of Israel anymore than Catholics from around the world who visit Jerusalem or the Vaticans can— they are all just tourists or pilgrims but have no right to go there other than as visitors only— they must all go back to their homes elsewhere. Even Muslims around the world don’t have the right to just move to Mecca, but they can be visitors / pilgrims.  Same with Jews, they should just be respectful visitor in Palestine-Israel.  Only Jews who have been in Israel may possibly have the opportunity to stay there, only if they return what is stolen and play by the new rules of completely equal rights for all,-- it will not be a “Jewish state”, and there will not be a Jewish majority.  So if Jews who are there don’t like that, they will be invited to leave.  The Jewish philanthropists in the diaspora can help them to find new homes elsewhere in the world),  and the Arab-speaking citizens will be free to cherish their close ties with their Palestinian brothers and sisters and the Arab world at large.   If this is racism, Zionism or worse – so be it. Wendy says: You, Uri Avnery, are a complete racist hypocrite. If Israel is a Jewish state, then it cannot fully belong to all its citizens.  Why do you not call for Israel to become Palestine-Israel? Israel is built on STOLEN LAND.  Why do you insist on Israel having a Jewish majority?  Why do you not call for support for the Palestinian refugees’ Right to Return as equals to their ancestral homeland of Palestine-Israel, as it is not only their right according to UN Resolutions, International Law and the majority of world opinion, but also it is simply moral and consistent with democratic ideals?! What you stand for is a racist Zionist Jewish state built on stolen land. Tell the truth and return the stolen goods, then play by the same rules we must all play by. That’s what you must do if you truly want peace. I rest my case. ************************************** Whew, all I can say is my warriors, I'm glad she is on our side. And here I thought I was a militant. And Wendy would also like to remind us of an old song that still rings true today.... Hi All, Here are the lyrics of the song “The Times They Are A-Changing”, written by Bob Dylan (Zimmerman), who is Jewish.  I WONDER what HE thinks about the Jewish state of Israel? I’m sure he didn’t write this song with the Zionist Jews and their racist state in mind, however this song which he wrote back in 1963, seems to me to be VERY appropriate with regards to the Jewish state of Israel and its supporters, especially the BOGUS Jewish “progressive peace activists”--- these particular lines of the song are written just for them: (Bat says--- Bossy old Brit (he knows who he is) You need to listen to the words to this song and heed them) watchmen: Bob Dylan (The Times They Are A Changing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeC-ShrfHdQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeC-ShrfHdQ Your old road is Rapidly agin'. Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand AND Don't stand in the doorway Don't block up the hall For he that gets hurt Will be he who has stalled There's a battle outside And it is ragin'. It'll soon shake your windows And rattle your walls AND The order is Rapidly fadin'. And the first one now Will later be last And this line is for the long-suffering (over 61 years now!!!!) Palestinian people and all their supporters around the world!!!: For the loser now Will be later to win Read on for all the lyrics from top to finish... The Times They Are A-Changin' Come gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone. If your time to you Is worth savin' Then you better start swimmin' Or you'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin'. Come writers and critics Who prophesize with your pen And keep your eyes wide The chance won't come again And don't speak too soon For the wheel's still in spin And there's no tellin' who That it's namin'. For the loser now Will be later to win For the times they are a-changin'. Come senators, congressmen Please heed the call Don't stand in the doorway Don't block up the hall For he that gets hurt Will be he who has stalled There's a battle outside And it is ragin'. It'll soon shake your windows And rattle your walls For the times they are a-changin'. Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is Rapidly agin'. Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'. The line it is drawn The curse it is cast The slow one now Will later be fast As the present now Will later be past The order is Rapidly fadin'. And the first one now Will later be last For the times they are a-changin'. Copyright ©1963; renewed 1991 Special Rider Music I would bet that Bob Dylan wrote this with regards to the civil rights movement, about equal rights for blacks and whites, that was raging back in 1963 in the USA.  But how come Jewish Bob Dylan never wrote a song about the rights of Palestinians who have been trampled on since even a couple of decades BEFORE the Jewish state of Israel was immorally created by stealing Arab land while murdering and terrorizing the indigenous Palestinian people there?  Don’t tell me he didn’t know what was going on... Especially later in 1967 during the Six Day War!  How come all the Jewish civil rights leaders and peaceniks NEVER talked about the Jewish state of Israel’s campaign of ethnic cleansing and stealing Arab land?  They must have know, being so “connected” to “Israel”.  Those Zionist Jews are really experts at distracting the attention of the American public from the racist, terrorist, land-stealing Jewish state of Israel, eh?  WELL WELL WELL, Palestine’s time has come for justice!  Israel must be subject to the same treatment that apartheid South Africa was treated to, as well as the same pressure that supporters of segregation were treated to in the US: and they must likewise transform into a REAL democracy with completely equal rights for all, including for the Palestinian refugees who MUST be allowed their INALIENABLE RIGHT TO RETURN as EQUALS and REPARATIONS. OH YES!! OH YES, WE CAN CHANGE THE WORLD. WE ARE CHANGE. FREE FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!!!!!! Wendy Campbell MarWen Media

Title: Re: Beyond the Battolgy news 9-9-09 Post by LetMyPeopleGoHome on Sep 10th, 2009, 10:54am ladybat2 wrote: You are either a truther or you are not Oh Ye Warriors of truth. I've decided that I'm going to give this 9-11 stuff a bit more of my time. You're completely mad. Quote: most likely Britain would have instead been forced to call a truce with Germany, whereby they could resolve their differences diplomatically Bonkers - Britain was at war with Germany becaus the latter had invaded and was occupying Belgium. Do you want peacefull small countries protected from their war-like big neighbours or not? Obviously not! Quote: (IAP News) — An Israeli professor and military historian hinted that Israel could avenge the holocaust by annihilating millions of Germans and other Europeans. Bonkers - those statements are six years old. And I know that you've seen them in the past - does this kind of information simply go in one ear and out the other? Quote: Israeli officials attacking anti Zionist synagogue in Jerusalem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU92lAsw3UU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU92lAsw3UU Probably lies - most of these places are very Zionist. The rioting (see http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1138622516247 ) may have come about after an honour killing. Look it up if you've never heard of these things. Quote: Several other Palestinians gave a similar narrative, recounting how they received the bodies of their murdered relatives, mostly men in their early twenties, with vital organs taken away by the Israeli authorities. More slow news day - we know that organs were stolen (from Israeli soldiers too). The same thing has happened in the UK and in the US. Quote: Norman Finkelstein has decided to leave the Free Gaza organization and has chosen to make this public by throwing a tantrum over his "hurt feelings". What a total jerk thing to do! I'll have a word with you later! Be sure and read all the comments that follow this article at the link provided. Incidentally, only half the sectarianism is "from abroad" - rather more notable is that the destroyers are in fact Palestinian. Quote: Palestinians are thankful for any "help" the world gives them. No they're not. Otherwise, they'd not shoot their friends by defending Bashir for the genocide in Sudan. Don't tell me you didn't know about and get a chance to mend some of the damage! Quote: the bottom line is that Palestine WILL NOT EVER GIVE UP RIGHT OF RETURN WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN GRANTED TO THEM BY THE UNITED NATIONS! Mad. Quote: This was shared with me by a list member. It has a lot of photos here of the internment camps in Germany and these photos look very different from the ones we have always been shown before. They seem to tell an entirely different story about life in those camps. Mad. The Nazis kept a "nice" camp for the Red Cross to examine, and for rich Jews who'd agreed to pay $millions not to go to the gas chambers yet (many were sent anyway). It was called Theresienstadt Quote: Look how he pointed the finger, and demonized Hamas, claiming that it is a “dictatorship”, even though we KNOW Hamas was democratically voted into power by the Palestinian people in Gaza Hamas make the Sudanese (just jailed a woman for a month for wearing trousers) look tolerant and nice! And Hamas defends Bashir over the genocide of Darfur, remember?

Title: Re: Beyond the Battolgy news 9-9-09 Post by ladybat2 on Sep 10th, 2009, 10:44pm I got an idea mr. Let Go. Why dont you start your own news letter on behalf of Sudan? Instead of badgering me to do it when you know I am  here to tell Palestine's story. I am not about to get into the Sudan thing when I do not even really know what the conflict is about there. I've not read as much nor have I heard BOTH sides of that conflict. I am not informed on that conflict like I am the Palestinian one. Since you are so interested in the conflict in Sudan then why don't you take their cause on and make a news letter for them and put it on the net? Bossy old Brit! :P

Title: Re: Beyond the Battolgy news 9-9-09 Post by ladybat2 on Sep 11th, 2009, 2:20am What the hell has gotten into you Let Go? I remember when you used to say right of return was something the Palestinians had every right to and should never ever let go of. I remember when I used to think two states might work and you used to scream at me and tell me I was wrong! That the refugees are in titled to their homes and they should never stop fighting for that right! What the hell is wrong with you??? You have completely gone over to the other side! I don't even know you any more! How can someone change so drastically? YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE TO CONVINCE ME THAT ONE STATE FOR ALL AND RIGHT OF RETURN WAS THE ONLY REAL ANSWER! And now look at you!!! You have done a total about face! I do not understand you at all! You and I have nothing any more in common. We are on totally different paths now. I'm still on the same one I've always been on but you have taken a different one. I will never trust another word you ever say to me. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A TRAITOR! Since you've decided to become a Zionist then do not bother even emailing me any more. You want to post to me then do so in here or any forum you see me in. I might answer you and I might not answer you. Depends on how I feel that day but I have no wish to receive any more email from you at all. I do not even know you. You are a complete stranger to me! :(

Title: Re: Beyond the Battolgy news 9-9-09 Post by LetMyPeopleGoHome on Sep 11th, 2009, 7:36pm ladybat2 wrote: Why dont you start your own news letter on behalf of Sudan? Instead of badgering me to do it when you know I amhere to tell Palestine's story. It's not that I care or don't care what happens in Sudan, it's that I come from a culture that wishes to see criminals prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned.. Whereas Hamas is telling us that Bashir, the "Butcher of Darfur", should not be prosecuted.- what planet do they live on?

Title: Re: Beyond the Battolgy news 9-9-09 Post by toeg on Sep 11th, 2009, 10:36pm 9/11 truthers: Good stuff. I thought the official version was correct until around 2003 when someone posted the list of anomalies and I suddenly realized how we were duped. Your comments about how Muslims, ESPECIALLY fanatical Muslims would never act that way was just one more nail in the coffin of the official conspiracy theory. For anyone to continue believing those obvious lies is positive proof of denial of reality. We know for a fact that the official 9/11 Commission Report version contains lies and is incomplete. The official report barely touches on WTC7 and it gives no plausible explanation of its symmetric collapse. It also refuses to address most of the anomalies. There is a subforum dedicated to the events of that day that all are invited to peruse in order to get a much better understanding of how wrong the official story is. ******************************************************** Quote: Israeli soldiers fire on Al Jazeera correspondent - 04 Sep 09 It is clear from that video that Israel has a total disdain for human life other than Jewish life. They shoot at reporters covering a story of a continued illegal occupation while they were filming the shot on live TV. The audacity of the Israelis to continue their harassment in front of the entire world is nothing short of Orwellian. How anyone can defend such actions is beyond me, but I guess there are a lot of people out there who blindly accept prejudice and hatred as their mantra and will follow Israel to the ends of the Earth. ********************************************************** Quote: The ‘Good’ War It wasn't so good by Justin Raimondo, September 04, 2009 I have some problems with this story: 1. Danzig wasn't part of Poland. Poland could not give back to Germany what they didn't own. Danzig was a free city-state after WWI. The people of Danzig didn't want to return to Germany, but the Germans pretended that they did and Poland blocked their move. 2. The report talks constantly about the Stalinist Communists in Spain helping the Republicans in that civil war, but refuses to discuss how Hitler provided Stukka bombers to General Franco to bomb the innocent villagers as depicted in La Guernica. 3. Here's a quote for you: "For Hitler was determined to destroy the hated Bolsheviks, and it was only US entry into the conflict – engineered by FDR, in alliance with the Brits, the Communists, and the left in general – that saved the "workers’ paradise" from Germany’s sword." Complete rubbish. The Communists and left in general had very little to do with the US entry. Britain had a lot to do with it, but they were definitely NOT Communist. This story misses a lot of points, distorts or fabrics many others, and sends the reader down the wrong path. ********************************************************* Quote: Our Gift of Silence By Ahmed Barqawi The world hypocrisy is palpable. **************************************************** Quote: US Hypocrisy Astonishes the World by Paul Craig Roberts, September 07, I invite all to go to the site MWSFH and read the truth about US and its history.

Title: Re: Beyond the Battolgy news 9-9-09 Post by LetMyPeopleGoHome on Sep 12th, 2009, 4:58pm toeg wrote: 1. Danzig wasn't part of Poland. Poland could not give back to Germany what they didn't own. Danzig was a free city-state after WWI. The people of Danzig didn't want to return to Germany, but the Germans pretended that they did and Poland blocked their move. Correct but incomplete. Poland had been granted a corridor of territory to connect it to the sea, and this corridor cut Danzig off from the rest of Germany. It didn't matter - all their trade went by sea anyway. There were no autobahns to connect the territories and almost no cars in use. However, Hitler demanded a corridor across the corridor, which of course would cut Poland off from the sea again. Quote: Complete rubbish. The Communists and left in general had very little to do with the US entry. Britain had a lot to do with it, but they were definitely NOT Communist. This story misses a lot of points, distorts or fabrics many others, and sends the reader down the wrong path. Correct. I think LadyBat is suffering from complete information over-load which risks scrambling her brain.

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